BOTH SIDES: Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides Tours Safe, Humane Or Mistreatment?

On August 25, 2007, Kathie wrote:

I could not agree with you more! I will always boycott riding horse-drawn carriages. And any other form of “entertainment” using animals.

On August 25, 2007, Bernard Roy wrote:

I have just returned from Ottawa, Can., and they have a lot of traffic but they are able to have horse drawn carriages, which adds to their heritage. All that is needed is over seeing of the care and well being of the horses.

On August 25, 2007, Jo-Anne wrote:

These are not the only cities that have rides like this. In Nashville ,Tenn. there is Broadway in the center of the city. It has been really hot some days there [103 F] at times and the traffic in the city is active. There are at least 3 or 4 carriges that go through that traffic to give tourest a ride around the city. I think this is very cruel.
Thank you

On August 25, 2007, gail wrote:

I am in total agreement [with Friends of Animals]. Why must the pride and enjoyment of a cultural history include subjugation of another species?

On August 25, 2007, Mary Gundlach wrote:

There is no romance in horses pulling carriages—now or in the past. Many people abused their horses horribly, forcing them to pull heavy loads until they were worn out and sent to the knacker’s yard.

How about returning to the past when men and women alike worked from dawn till dusk to eke out a living-except the privileged few who had servants to toil for them?

If they want to bring back horse-drawn carriages, I suggest they shun all electricity and labor-saving devices , and grow their own food, mill their flour, grow their crops,
make their clothes from flour sacks, and fall into bed at sunset exhausted. I could go on but I think I’ve made my point.

On August 25, 2007, Nancy Correa wrote:

I live in Wethersfield and they were very sneaky about doing this. I also recently send an editorial to the Wethersfield Post about students raising money for Heifer international and in one response was accused of attacking Heifer. I didn’t do this, I presented rational arguments. People don’t care how many rational arguments there are, they only hear what they want to believe. They want to bring horses back? Right, then they should recreate human slaves as well. Let me know what i can do.

On August 25, 2007, Heather wrote:

We have horse-drawn carriage rides here in Victoria, British Columbia and I take part in the FoA demonstrations to get them banned. It’s amazing how often people will say, “But these horses are well taken care of.” Like that makes a difference when what we’re talking about is their subjugation. Some people say, “Well, if they weren’t doing this, they’d have no purpose in life.” As if contributing to human society is the only thing which gives someone value.

On August 25, 2007, Julianne wrote:

I don’t think they should have carriage rides its cruel and dangerous.

I was in Nassau Bahamas in May and they had horse carriage rides I left the scene in tears as these horses where dehydrated and looked sick.

Why do we need animals to perform to draw tourists to certain areas surely we have more creative people to think of something other than an animal that can’t speak our language.

On August 25, 2007, Lee Hall of Friends of Animals wrote:

Julianne brings up the valuable point that even if the horses are purportedly well cared for in a certain area, it’s the acceptance of exploiting them that gets seen around the world. So it’s a problematic precedent, no matter how it’s carried out. Even in the best of situations, what happens when they wear out? It’s not difficult to imagine where the end of the ownership cycle of a corporate-titled horse ultimately leads.

On August 25, 2007, boom boom wrote:

Every time I go to New Orleans and see the horse-drawn carriages in the French Quarter I cringe!

On August 25, 2007, Jan wrote:

I think this is very outragous horse are horses I believe in protecting animals, but that is what horses enjoy doing. We all work and that is part of a horses life. I love to ride horses and it is for years been something that has been done saying that carriage rides are mistreatment is just plan STRANGE.

On August 26, 2007, Della Oliver wrote:

A more progressive perspective, however, would suggest that buggy rides are an exploitative and dangerous tradition that should be left in the history books.

…To expect horses to serve as vehicles in any traffic is unreasonable. The health and safety dangers inherent in the animal-drawn vehicle business have sparked a growing momentum for bans in many cities across the world, including Key West and Palm Beach, Fla.; Las Vegas, Nev.; Camden, N.J.; Toronto; Beijing; Paris; and London. Even when confined to light or pedestrian traffic, as in the Wethersfield plan, horses and traffic can be a deadly mix.

…There are more enlightened ways to herald and preserve Wethersfield’s heritage than returning to the days when horses were forced to pull people through the streets.

On August 26, 2007, Ellie wrote:

Jan, your post reminds me of mushers who think dogs enjoy running themselves to death in the Iditarod. I think it’s a mistake to think horses enjoy pulling carriages because we enjoy the ride.

On August 26, 2007, roy fuller wrote:

I agree with Priscilla. And horses shouldn’t be used for racing either!

On August 26, 2007, Sandy Brown wrote:

I feel there is a good and evil to most everything. Is it better to have a horse who is mistreated and starved, living on a beautiful farm or a working horse being well taken care of, because possibly it is someone’s livelihood? ANY animal which is mistreated is WRONG. and EVERYTHING in our power should be done to prevent and prosecute the offender.

Cattle spend their days leisurely eating grass, day after day, and yet they are then BUTCHERED so we can eat meat. ( no I am not a veg. I am just trying to make a point.) It would be nice if we could have every animal just be loved and adored until death…it would be nice if we could have every person be loved and adored until death..but that is a wayyyyyyyyy bigger issue.

Maybe time, effort and money would be better spent making sure the places who did have carriage rides are well supervised and the fair and decent treatment of their animals are a top priority. Huge, heavy fines, lose of their business liscence, their animal etc.

Many people will not support you on the abolishing of this business, or tourist attraction, but I do believe you will get 99.9% support if you approach it from a humane view point.

[Blog editors’ note: Yes, we would get wider support if we approached it from a regulatory viewpoint. This is because most people do not wish to challenge the idea they were brought up with: the notion that it’s acceptable to dominate other animals for any financial reason at all, no matter how frivolous. Indeed, according to the pattern we invariably experience, wealthy national groups will almost certainly try to get involved and make the intervention into a regulatory agreement and claim to have brokered a win-win situation. We ask that people join us and support us, and make their voices heard, so that a clear message of respect prevails. This form of entertainment is on the way out in many places and we do not accept the view that it should be on its way in to Wethersfield.]

On August 26, 2007, Maj. PJD Allatt, USAF (Ret) wrote:

Allowing horse carraiges in traffic is inhumane and danerous to the customers if the horse bolts.. Besides, do you or the horse want to inhale all the fumes— the horse will do it ALL DAY.

It is a stupid idea of the mayor.

On August 26, 2007, MaryAnn Kerns wrote:

I believe this is a cruel form of entertainment. I have seen how the horses are over worked and tired but still have to perform. This is unacceptable and should be stopped just as dog racing, dog fighting and any other form of animal abuse should cease. It’s our fault for allowing animals to be abused and it will have to take thousands maybe millions of people to take notice and stop supporting animal abuse by engaging in or financial supporting the abusers.

On August 26, 2007, Norma Sandler wrote:

No horse is well taken care of if he/she is exposed to traffic all day, every day, or even once for that matter. Even elephants have been hit by cars in traffic and they are much larger targets. When the horses aren’t taking tourists for rides, they are standing stock still for hours on hot or freezing concrete, not made for a horse’s feet, in the hot sun, rain, snow and cold with blinders on, which in itself is cruel as it deprives the horse of most of its sight! Can you imagine spending your days with your sight deliberately and severely restricted? Blinders were designed to keep horses from panicking in traffic, a normal reaction that they are denied but we are not. Horses wearing blinders can’t see traffic because their eyes are placed to the side, not like ours which face forward. They can’t get out of the way of danger because they can’t see it. So to add to the daily exposure to injury and death, the carriage horse is deprived of movement, shelter during the day and perhaps at night and most of his/her sight, and when he is moving, he’s pulling a heavy load. Those horses that have their tails bobbed, “for fashion” can’t even swat the biting flies off their bodies. There is also no way to prove a horse owner isn’t providing enough water and food or abusing his horse at night.
Forget affection, a place with green grass to run and frolic and the companionship of others of their own kind. Carriage horses have nothing left but the loneliness and misery of slavery to their owners for life, before finally going to slaughter when they are old and too tired to pull carriages anymore. These beautiful, sensitive, sentient beings have been turned into living machines. Anyone who thinks horses enjoy this, knows nothing about either horses or respect and kindness towards other beings. Horses are horses for their own sake. They owe us nothing. In fact, it’s the other way around.

On August 26, 2007, Al wrote:

all i gotta say is i think you people have read Black Beauty way too much. I own, train and care for horses and i know people that use their animals for carriage work. pay BIG bucks to take care of the animals and to make sure they are well looked after. let me let you in on a little secret folks, these are living, breathing, 1500lb creatures that have a free will. if the horse did not trust the caregiver to hitch em up and to ASK them to preform a certain job, you better be sure as the sun that animal WILL NOT DO IT. they will rear, buck kick and paw anyone they see as a threat. give a little credit to the carrage drivers as well. if they know the animal and have spent the time creating that special bond with the horse, dont you think they would take care of their babies? yes they would. If there wasnt trust in the driver, that horse would never take a step forward. special shoes for the concrete, top of the line fly spray, blankets for when it rains. i could go on and on…there WILL be some baddies, but for the most part if they didnt love the animal, they wouldnt shovel out the cash it costs to care for them. some horses like to work. i have a 4 yr old gelding that gets SO mad when i pull another horse out for a ride, he runs up pushes her out of the way and tries to shove his nose in the halter! i kid you not, if i didnt own the horse i would say there is no such thing, but yea its true. when im out there its like im his best friend. first to come when i call and last to leave the gate when i go in. let me also tell you, its WAY more cruel to have a horse penned up all day instead of letting it out to move, and i mean ALOT. you will see horses that people “pamper”, have picked up habbits of stall weaving, cribbing and pacing in a circle. cause these creatures are nomatic. meaning that they like to move alot. they like to stay busy and on a set schule. that combined with good feed. a good scratch and a strong understanding of equine nature, the partnership between a horse and his driver is one of trust and friendship. for a horse that likes his job look for a glossy coat, nice trimmed feet and a spring in his step. All in all i agree with sandy brown. have the drivers follow certain guidelines and thus cutting down on the horse owners that dont deserve to have a carrage licence. Oh by the way, bobbing the tail was orgnialy done so the horse would not get it caught in the rigging, causing the horses tailbone to break. its decidedly looked down apoun in the horse world, so yea you will see some bobbed tails, but be assured that horse owners are moving steadly away from the practice.

ty for your time to read this.
~ a horse lover ~

[Blog editors’ note: You don’t mention that horses are broken in order to stop them from doing what they naturally do: resist and buck. They must please the owner, or they’ll usually be sold off for whatever purpose makes for the best return on the owner’s investment. You do say “if they didn’t love the animal, they wouldnt shovel out the cash it costs to care for them.” You are aware, are you not, that there is money in the carriage industry? There’s a $25,000 grant already approved for this in Wethersfield, and that doesn’t get into the potential for regular paying customers and tips. And we are reading Black Beauty? ]

On August 27, 2007, Tony wrote:

I guess I don’t understand what your stand is on domestic animals at all. Sounds like we should feed them and care for them but not do anything to them but look at them..oh wait, how will we get the horse to stand still so we can trim his feet..they don’t wear off enough in captivity ..and they don’t always wear off correctly in the wild. How will we get them to allow us to deworm them or medicate them if we don’t teach them anything?
I think it a shame that you have not kept up with horse training techniques. Most horses are not “broken” these days just as human children no longer have their hands slapped with rulers, nor are they spanked with wodden paddles (board of education). They are handled much differently than in the days of “breaking” horses. They are imprinted on humans at a young age and handled with gentleness and shown things do not harm them and how to work with us.

While I am pretty certain you folks seem to have made up your mind that that is impossible, I am with Al, that most horses (yeah, even dogs and cats) enjoy being with humans and doing things with them.

If you call it subjigating them, please explain more. Am I

subjigating other humans when I have them make me a dinner at a resteraunt? Am I subjigating all the factory workers who build cars, computers etc.

Should we turn them all domestic animals loose and let them fend for themselves? Many domesticated horses would not do well on the open range. Where will they get their water in the winter?(certainly no heated water buckets in the wild in Minnesota or other northern states or Canada). What about food and medical care and shelter?

Should we destroy them all, since we can’t really take care of them withut “subjigating them” to our will.

Priscilla Feral, FoA President, responds: Free-living horses do eke out a living on public lands and that’s where they belong. Today in Alaska, I was told that a kid’s camp gives the horses they no longer use to mushers — meaning they’re shot to death for dog food. Horses are not faring well when they end up in private hands, and leaving our hands off them is the ultimate challenge.

On August 27, 2007, Sandy Holt wrote:

I see it as cruelty. I know some cities “monitor” these carriage rides, but still, to ask a horse to go into loud, busy traffic and pull a cart around is just too much. These animals that live in the big cities have no life but pulling carriages and going home to a stall. What they wouldn’t give to be able to roll and gallop in a green pasture.
I wouldn’t pay my money to force a beautiful horse to do this type work. The only one benefiting from this are the carriage owners …

On August 27, 2007, joan blyth wrote:

I thought that the use of buggy rides in Central Park was a nice idea until I realized from newspaper articles how exposed they were to injury by automobiles, pollution, long hours of labor, and, in some cases, poor care by their owners and caretakers. Our role in the management of any animal is to see that they are taken care of as if they were a member of our family. I believe it is what the Bible calls stewardship.

I now view the use of carriage horses in a busy city to be a poor use of such a wonderful animal and I hope they will be banned in many more cities until such a practice is wiped out.

On August 27, 2007, Barbara Elwell wrote:

Horse drawn carriages are a way to make a quick buck, but are certainly no more than cruelty. To make a pregnant mare stand around in all kinds of weather merely for human pleasure goes beyond compassion; especially when the mare gives birth with traffic zooming around her on a busy street, as happened in Kansas City, MO. These horses are usually old and should be put in a lovely green pasture, not pulling a stupid carriage on a slab of concrete.

On August 27, 2007, Dawn Spencer wrote:

Well said Daniel P. Jones. Thank you. Dawn Spencer

On August 27, 2007, Dave Shishkoff wrote:

I sometimes wonder what the difference between a typical ‘horse lover’ and, say, a ‘car lover’ are.

Both make sure their property is ‘cared for’, ‘clean’, ‘well fed/fueled’ and ‘safely housed’. Both insist that they need be driven, and enjoy being driven..

Enough with the ‘horse lovers’, how about some respect for other animals, and spending a bit of time thinking about their interests, instead of fulfilling our own?

On August 27, 2007, Mary Martin, Ph.D. wrote:

For those who say horses like to walk or haul or greyhounds or mushing dogs like to run, that may indeed be true. But that is not the issue. The issue is that we are deciding when they will run or walk or haul, for how long, in what conditions, when they are permitted to stop, and how and when their lives will end.

That is subjugation, pure and simple (defined as: “to bring under complete control or subjection; conquer; master).

On August 27, 2007, Marjorie Hass wrote:

Horse-drawn carriages are nothing but cruel. All horses that pull carriages are overworked and are doing nothing that is natural to them.

On August 28, 2007, sylvia weisbrot wrote:

Safety is a definite factor but I’ve been to Wethersfield and The Historical area can be controlled. The fact that this country slaughters so many horses reflects the lack of respect and ignorance of their value. They are beautiful, wonderful animals but very few people today get to see them and fewer still get to be close to them, especially children. I think there is an “appreciation” factor here and this project will be carefully watched. It is not a city like NY with 1000’s of vehicles.

FoA comments: Exploitation of an animal is never a show of “appreciation.” In the case of horses, appreciation for them can be shown by freeing them and ending their slavery to humans.

On August 29, 2007, Laurie Rozgonyi wrote:

I just moved from Jacksonville, Florida 10 weeks ago. I used to go to St. Augustine all the time, & they have carriage rides! I always felt bad for the horses in the summer with all that heat & humidity!

On August 30, 2007, Phyllis Romano wrote:

I Agree with Al. I am a big animal lover. My family fosters animals from our local shelter. To get to the point. If horses were just breed to live on a farm, and just stend there and do nothing, how many horses would we have in this world? They are animals not people. If they are well cared for, as the article says, But out! I know you’ll have an answefor this, but I just had to speak my mind. Why don’t you people put you efforts into something that helps PEOPLE?

On August 31, 2007, Teresa wrote:

This subject is obviously controversial, even among ‘animal lovers’, but the sad truth is that if an animal’s worth to a person is strictly financial, then they probably only care about the animal so long as that animal yields those financial rewards. When they don’t, the animal becomes irrelevant and is generally sent to an even worse situation. That’s the world we live in.

A perfect example of this (and very similar situation to horses) is racing greyhounds. It’s a similar basic set-up, right? The dog owners only make money when their dog is well kept and in good health, etc. so the Owners should be taking great care of their dog, right? But we all know the reality is that those dogs lead horrible, secluded, loveless lives… and that’s when they’re winning. If they slow down a little, they’re cast off. Thankfully there are rescue organizations to help some of them but most are not so lucky.

If an animal’s worth is strictly financial, you can bet that there are plenty of owners who could care less about the animal except as a moneymaker. Walking on concrete and asphalt, breathing in fumes, being startled by traffic noise… not good.

An animal as a tool is guaranteed disaster… an animal as a friend and companion and even willing helper is a recipe for success. Carriage rides walk a fine line between tool and helper but I think stray too far toward ‘tool’. It begs for overwork in bad conditions to make a buck.

I think carriage rides should be a thing of the past, but as they probably won’t be, we should DEMAND better regulations and oversight to prevent abuse.

On September 4, 2007, Edita Birnkrant, NYC Campaign Coordinator wrote:

Teresa, deeming an animal a “willing helper” is indeed making her into a tool. The other animals of the world did not and cannot consent to being our helpers, nor should we expect them to. 

In many cities and towns across the world, horse-drawn carriages already are a thing of the past; as people have understood them both as dangerous and wrongly exploitive, they have been banned.  The activists and supporters of Friends of Animals believe that the only thing worth striving for is what’s right and respectful: an end to the horse-drawn carriage industry, and, simultaneously, the freedom for horses and other animals who aren’t captive to live their lives without human management.

Imposing more regulations on carriage businesses will only serve to tighten the reins that have enslaved these animals for too long. It’s time we let go and show the horses some respect.

Edita Birnkrant,
NYC Campaign Coordinator, Friends of Animals

On September 5, 2007, Nancy L.Green wrote:

I fully agree that it is not right to see horses being used as a carriage.I have always felt this way about it.I do not like it.I think this should be banned permamently.

On September 8, 2007, lisa salazar wrote:

It is total animal cruelty!!!

On September 8, 2007, j.walter wrote:

Today my family was in the Lancaster, Pennsylvania area and took a horse-drawn carriage ride. The Amish use horse and buggies on a daily basis to get around. It’s their way of life. The horses (ours were two sisters) were in remarkable condition, well taken care of and friendly. Yes, traffic poses a problem to horses and buggies. But don’t drivers also have to contend with crossing pedestrians who sometimes don’t use good judgment when crossing or cyclists who expect all motorists to “share the road”. So, why not horse and buggies? People only need one thing: “patience” for slower traffic and there won’t be a problem at all. It is not a matter of mistreatment. I’ve been on several rides and have never seen an act of mistreatment towards the animals. I grew up with a horse academy very close by and went to alot of horse shows. I’d know if an animal was mistreated, such as a neighbor with her dalmation dog (who was later reported). I am a pet lover and take good care of them all (fish, birds, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats and dogs) My daughter had horseback lessons for years as well and learned much about equestrian responsibility (how to clean and brush them, etc.) Please don’t always assume the worst. Many people are neglected, overlooked and down on their luck. Sometimes, animals are better treated than them (and sometimes they don’t have the given opportunity to better help themselves). It just depends. Anyway, thank you for your input. Just shedding a different light on the matter, that’s all.

On September 9, 2007, Ellie wrote:

I think people often assume animals enjoy an activity because they themselves enjoy it. So it’s essential to distinguish our interests from what we’ve imposed on animals. Why ever would a horse want to wear a bridle, and keep a metal object in his or her mouth? Why would a horse want to carry heavy loads; run when we say run; jump when we say jump?

Horses are not born with an interest in helping or entertaining us. When we make them dependent, they are forced to submit to our control. Let’s instead respect their right to live on their own terms, and in their own natural habitats.

On September 12, 2007, Niilo John Van Steinburg wrote:

That’s so true, Ellie. These people who say they are “horse lovers” don’t truly love the horses. Genuine love for another person or creature does not hinge on limiting their rights and freedom. What these people love is the feeling they get from being around horses, from riding them or being pulled behind them. And that simply amounts to a form of selfishness that is conveniently ignored - a far cry from “love”.

On September 12, 2007, alaskanni wrote:

When I take my horse his lunch time mash, he whinnies at me and when I walk up to him with it he gives me a “kiss” with his upper lip. So you are telling me I don’t love my horse and he hates me? I’m sorry but I don’t buy that. I respect your right to your opinions on this but I don’t believe that man is not supposed to have animals of any kind. My cat’s are well taken care of and wait at the door when they hear our car drive up. They lick our chin and meow when we pick them up and get mad when we don’t do it first thing. Are you saying they should be let go free to wander the streets? I don’t necessarily agree with carriage rides just for the sake of carriage rides but I don’t see that the Amish are doing anything so terribly wrong. I don’t believe that you will print this but I could be wrong. This is just my perspective.

On September 13, 2007, Niilo John Van Steinburg wrote:

If all I knew from life was one person who brought me my food and scratched behind my ear and took me out of my enclosure for some exercise, of course I’d have a deep affection for them. Gauging the moral value of a relationship based simply upon one’s reaction to the other is not valid. Otherwise, what should we think of the relationship between a kidnapper and the kidnapped when the latter is suffering from “Stockholm syndrome”?

alaskanni, I am not suggesting you are a cruel person on par with kidnappers or dog fighters. However, I simply wish people would challenge their own assumptions that they “love” the animals that they care for. In many cases, their feelings of love depend upon their possession of the animal; for, like any other prized possession, they love the feelings they experience when using and viewing and being in the presence of said possession. And this critique of love isn’t limited to situations with non-human animals.

I suppose the simplest test for your love is this: If you knew that someone you love would have a more enjoyable life without you, would you let them go?

On September 16, 2007, Fallon wrote:

I’m only just beginning my read up on this, but I live in NY, where a horse just died the other day. He got spooked and ran into a tree. He’s dead. This picture has to change immediately. Horses shouldn’t be in the freaking streets. It’s inhumane treatment-cut and dry. I’m hearing, “The horse-drawn buggy is romantic!” Excuse me,,.. “Romantic”??? what is the hot and heavy neccesity here? I don’t think it’s romantic. I think horses need to be off the streets. I like a good horseback ride occasionally, but not on the streets. This should truly end. If anyone has ideas, or needs a sig that may actually help…leave me a message here. Thanks.

On September 16, 2007, Anne Peronne wrote:

There is no place for horse drawn carriages in New York City, or any other environment that mixes carriages and traffic. This is another form of exploiting animals. The carriage owners that limit their routes to inside the park, and treat their animals in a humane and caring manner is the minority. If there are to be horse drawn carraige rides, limit them to within the (auto free) park boundary and impose stricter standards in regards to the care of the animals, duration of work hours in heat or cold, nutrition, etc.

On September 19, 2007, Mary Blake wrote:

Hi Priscilla, I think you should know that in the Las Vegas Review Journal today, Sept. 18,2007 there is an article about a carriage business that will be voted on tomorrow by the Las Vegas City Council(they have stated they are in favor of it). The carriages will operate in downtown Las Vegas, Nevada—a hot, congested, poluted area to be sure. I have expressed my concern about this issue, but fear it is falling on deaf ears. Guess you should remove Las Vegas from your list of cities who care. Mary

On October 13, 2007, Bill wrote:

Dave Shishkoff is a paid protester in Victoria BC, he neglects to tell people that he would not know a sick horse from a healthy one or how long horses work on the streets of Victoria. Dave, education is everything, become educated & informed on horses & carriage companies and then you can have a factual cause.
Lets get the cars off the street, now thats a cause!

[Blog editors’ note: Bill, what is your actual concern, and how exactly does it relate to the subject matter? If you are working for more efficient public transport, from bike paths to trains, Friends of Animals would thank you. The cause at issue here is conscious animals who are pressed into service for the entertainment of tourists or, one might assume, people wanting to impress their dates.]

On March 14, 2008, Richard Finis wrote:

I own five horses, two dogs and a cat. All of which were rescues. What struck me was the comment, “I suppose the simplest test for your love is this: If you knew that someone you love would have a more enjoyable life without you, would you let them go?” When it comes to my animals if I did that they would starve and die, that’s how I got them becuase they were starving. My wife and I love each other but we both expect each other to work. I do not condone working horses when its too hot or too cold or overworking them. But I can’t go along with they should just live free either. Horses and dogs and cats need homes everyday. It is my personal opinion that people should use thier efforts and money to adopt and save the animals they can save instead of putting effort out to abolish an already highly regulated and scrutinized business. Horses are being starved everyday and it is illegal. Report those people and adopt a horse, you can make a difference.